To summarize this sensitive matter....

Mar 16, 2010,09:37 AM
 


.. because it has been coming up several times, and sometimes in a heated way. Why? because these watches are expensive and we tend to be less indulgent or more demanding when we pay such price. But mainly because disappointement is a hard feeling to deal with.

- If there is problems in RM watches? Clearly. At this level it cannot be a campaign to spoil the reputation. I had issues personally, when i talk with friends or people who had or are in contact with RM owners,... There is a stain on reliability.
- Do these problems get solved? Yes, quite quickly and the watches tend to work fine after that. Generally speaking, owners are satisfied from watches that came back from SAV. This is very important. Shows that its not such a big deal.
- Is it acceptable to have to go through that frustrating process ? Yes and No. Because we love those watches so much so we'll bear the frustration. No, because on simple complications such as on the rm011 and rm010, such issues shouldn't be still coming up again and again. Fine tuning those problems is still very important for the reputation of the brand. This can fade away with time and be jst a memory.

There is something very unfair in all this, its so hard to build a good reputation, takes lots of hard work, sweat and blood. Its so easy to ruin a reputation. So we gotta be fair here and in the same time not hide behind our finger and speak about whats going wrong. The point is to move things to make them better.

RM are IMO some of the most attractive watches on the market nowadays. I think its a brand that will resist the test of time and will still be around in the futur. Why? Because they have this "je ne sais quoi" that makes you melt when you see them and especially wear them. What is it? I don't know... They are just eye candies.

To end this topic, like i said before, if you really love those watches, be patient and tolerant. Bear the bad if it occurs and enjoy the joy and satisfaction they can bring!
It got me to buy another rm011 and i am soooooo so happy with it. I guess the heart has reasons that the reason cannot understand smile

A special word for Moderator and Theodore especially. They are doing a great job here. I got a PM from Theo in the middle of christmas holidays to offer help to follow up with maintenance department about whats going on with my watch. It was nice to feel supported when things go wrong.

My 2 cents,

Karim


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Quality problem??

 
 By: gasterus : March 13th, 2010-06:43
Hi, I just wanna share my experience with fellow members. I bought a RM11ti from my local boutiqueback in January 2010, use it for the third time and i found out the watch always stop the following morning no matter how many times i wind the watch. Any of... 

Same story,...

 
 By: lkzn55 : March 13th, 2010-06:59
... until it stopped one day completly and crown not clutching the movement anymore. In this forum you will hear from many rm011 owners who had problems, generally all around the winding, crown and date issues. No big deal, once the watch is sent for repa... 

Same thing over her

 
 By: Pujoflo : March 14th, 2010-07:55
Yes, I was a victim as well......watch stopped..trouble with date.....took 2 months to repair (got it back last week). Keep my fingers crossed that it keeps on running....

Mine was perfect

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : March 14th, 2010-10:19
after I received it back from repair. And they even fixed the "jumping" chronograph seconds of the chronograph secs hand without me asking about it! - AT

I have similar problem with my 2-yr RM005 FM

 
 By: happyguy1688 : March 14th, 2010-22:46
the watch was sent thru Hk boutique

Unacceptable

 
 By: CorruptedSanity : March 16th, 2010-00:02
I keep swaying back and forth like a pendulum about RM. For a little I love it, then reading issues like these sways be the other way. I have decided though. I will not indulge in RM for a few years. I will give them 2 to 3 years to fix their QC issues. I... 

Fair point...

 
 By: chris4 : March 16th, 2010-01:40
However I would like to add that one common theme permiates the 'problem' threads, and that is that once they have been back to RM the problems are fixed and the watches remain reliable.So to me although an issue, I have total faith things get sorted quic... 

True

 
 By: CorruptedSanity : March 16th, 2010-02:52
I am sure (hopefully) that sending it back for a fixing will remedy it but my pet peeve is having anything (especially if its valuable) opened up unnecessarily. I am not sending in my Panerai pam312 (crown winding feels tight & rotor sluggish) because... 

Truly sorry to hear this from RM owners. This should not happen, but

 
 By: 219 : March 16th, 2010-03:05
it does - to all watch firms and not just RM. This is not an excuse, just an observation. For your information, Richard reads this forum and will have taken note. Someone, somewhere in Switzerland has probably received a visit or phone call about the prob... 

Also true

 
 By: CorruptedSanity : March 16th, 2010-03:11
it happens to other watch makers. but to keep this comparison consistent, i.e: apples to apples. Compare an RM010 worth about $ 65,000 to any other watch (watch maker) in the same range. The amount of issues will be MUCH less. Its good to know that Richar... 

my RM10 works perfectly for about 2 years now

 
 By: Mohannad (aka Riddler) : March 16th, 2010-06:48
with no problems what so ever and i couldn't be more happier, keep in mind it hadn't been serviced yet. i met Richard last december in Paris and i did discuss this issue with him and all i can say is that the QC now applied now is like no other and is ver... 

To summarize this sensitive matter....

 
 By: lkzn55 : March 16th, 2010-09:37
.. because it has been coming up several times, and sometimes in a heated way. Why? because these watches are expensive and we tend to be less indulgent or more demanding when we pay such price. But mainly because disappointement is a hard feeling to deal... 

Really?

 
 By: chris4 : March 17th, 2010-01:57
Quote:-DID you know that the rejection rate in RM is around 90% yes 90% I find that very hard to believe....I mean if only 10% makes it out into customers hands then RM must have huge problems with what they are doing. So 90% of product is rejected , 10% ... 

I concur

 
 By: CorruptedSanity : March 17th, 2010-02:02
Reality is the best measure of any situation. Rejections rates 90 %, blah blah blah... quality control up to so and so standard. Thats all well and good but the ultimate proof is on the customer's wrist.

yes the rejection rate is 90%

 
 By: Mohannad (aka Riddler) : March 17th, 2010-04:39
specially for the complicated pieces (R&P) as far as i know or read most of the problems are infact with RM11 to be more specific (vaucher developed) and maybe RM5 seldome to i read about a problem with ultra complicated pieces , i'm sure there are but no... 

But Stats Lie...

 
 By: chris4 : March 17th, 2010-09:28
..and there is not enough info with a statement like 'rejection rate of 90%'....Firstly as a bean counter it would make me question the whole production of an item and the true final value of it if 90% of the production went in the bin. Say it was an RM11... 

agreed, it doesn't make sense

 
 By: ei8htohms : March 20th, 2010-08:51
A 90% rejection rate could mean a very wide variety of things in the context of mechanical watches, but none of it is very flattering and I'd be shocked to hear that RM would actually publicize a number like this. Watches generally go through a huge numbe... 

You beat me to it, John.

 
 By: BDLJ : March 24th, 2010-15:50
Well said.

Agree 100%

 
 By: Pujoflo : March 17th, 2010-09:58
I fully support your story...could not have said it any better...and....I only own one RM11 but I cherish it.....it's just like a Ferrari...beautiful, expensive and in repair half the time....that's the beauty..