RM 035 Minor changes, and coating corrosion?!

Aug 01, 2011,18:55 PM
 

Ciao all on this passion filled world of Richard Mille!

Trust you all had a great start to the week!

A few changes i'd like to point out that has seem to occurred to the RM 035 even before the productions models are out.

I do not know whether this are all true or is it just an error ( unlikely though) is that if you notice on the RM homepage, in the spec sheet of the RM 035 there has been quite some changes to the materials used in the case of the 35. Previously, the entire case was crafted out of an alloy of Aluminium and Magnesium known as AZ91,but now the caseband alone has been changed to Magnesium WE 54 which is composed of the following,

Yttrium 4.75~5.5%

Rare earths 3~4% (Consisting of neodymium 1.5~2%, heavy rare earths such as ytterbium, erbium, dysprosium& gadolinium)

Zirconium minimum of 0.4%

with Magnesium adding up to the remainding balance, with a miniumum of 90%.

And the bezel and back are crafted out of Aluminium 2000, an alloy formerly known as Duralumin which was once the most common aerospace alloy, that comprises of copper, manganese and magnesium alloyed with the remainder in Aluminium.

On top of that even the coating process seems to have changed from "Titalyt 2" to "Miarox".  On a side note, for the RM 038 it seems that the entire case is crafted out of WE54 ( no difference between caseband and bezel/caseback) while the coating process has also been changed to Miarox. I wonder if Aluminium 2000 is any less stronger than WE 54? Since it is the bezel of a watch that is likely to get banged against other surfaces the most, i wonder if this shall play out any disadvantage majorly for the 35 over the 38?

I wonder if these changes have been made due to another problem which i am about to point out.

Now you all may remember that awhile back RM Japan auctioned off a prototype of the RM 35 in Japan to benefit a charity to assist in the victims of the March 11 Earthquake and Tsunami. The owner who won the auction naturally is one happy person who wears it virtually daily. It is summer time in Tokyo now and it gets very hot there, easily over 35 degrees celsius during the day. As humans we naturally sweat, and it seems that now there is a reaction happening between his sweat and the coating on the caseback of his 35, as the blackish coatings seems to be corroding away leaving the underneath silverish metal visible! It is a horrendous sight! He has brought this issue to RM Japan and they are enquiring back to RM HQ. Whether this is really due to the sweat or to other factors is not known at this moment, but previous models which have had coatings such as Titalyt and DLC have not had such problems encountered before.

I will keep the forums updated as soon as i know something regarding this.

But it got me thinking, if even the final production version faces the same problem, in a way that Panerai's composite is allergic to alcohol although that is a totally different story, i don't think i'm enthusiastic about the 35 at all cause i sure do sweat a fair bit especially i live in Asia!

Let's hope that the abovementioned changes were made BECAUSE RM discovered this weakness even before the lucky ( or rather unfortunate depending on the way you see it) owner even faced it!

This further hammers in my personal motto, never to purchase prototypes whether of watches, or of game machines where glitches ALWAYS happens with the 1st batch.

Ciao!

Stephen

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RM 035 under development

 
 By: Theodore : August 8th, 2011-03:56
Hello Stephen, The materials have been changed indeed. They are not the same, although they are related, being alloys also containing Magnesium and Aluminum as you have correctly pointed out already! It must be remembered that the RM035 has not officially... 

Same for me too Micro! [nt]

 
 By: BluNotte : August 8th, 2011-05:36
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An answer more than i ever asked for!

 
 By: BluNotte : August 8th, 2011-05:36
Hi there Theodore! 1st of all i just want to say it is such an honour to receive a direct reply from no one else but the great Theodore himself! I am glad to hear that the materials have changed for the better, and if indeed they are done such that to not... 

Thanks Theodore and my apologies for being late around here!

 
 By: 219 : August 15th, 2011-02:30
You have already said all that I could say, and far more eloquently than my words would. Just to reiterate, the RM035 is still in development. I saw a very early version of it and when photos of the prototype started to surface on the web, I was allowed t... 

Maybe it's just me

 
 By: BluNotte : August 15th, 2011-17:56
But i would rather prefer the final product that is good, and while being part of the creation process must have been cool, the sight of seeing the corrosion made my skin itch even. But it's reassuring to know that Richard will not be satisfied until ever... 

Having designed watches right the way through from a blank....

 
 By: tom3 : August 8th, 2011-07:05
sheet of paper to the technicalities of their manufacture (implementing 2 horological patents as we did so) I can verify that prototypes are indeed 'a work in progress' so to speak. However. I do think it's silly that RM should let such pieces go on the o... 

You are very blessed Tom

 
 By: BluNotte : August 8th, 2011-07:57
And yes, for a holidays i would say RM is the way to go! Everyday, anyway! Ciao and enjoy your vacation! Stephen

Yes I am and I know...

 
 By: tom3 : August 8th, 2011-08:04
it's not fair but someones gotta do it so it may as well be me!!!!

I would think the owner is definitely lucky...

 
 By: jmpTT : August 17th, 2011-12:38
If anything, I would think it is quite a special experience to take possession of a prototype piece before the production specifications have been finalized - the owner is, in a sense, getting an opportunity to become directly involved in the production p... 

I do agree on the part about his involvement in the creation process

 
 By: BluNotte : August 17th, 2011-18:01
But what i find him to be "unlucky" about is that he bidded for this watch, during a charity auction and naturally fought against others so that he could win it, and naturally expected a "good" product. While i am aware that RM does hand out prototypes to... 

I have some prototypes....

 
 By: tom3 : August 18th, 2011-20:46
of watches I designed for a company which I sold a few of but I stated clearly that they were made of brass and that they would not wear like steel watches and that the rhodium plate would wear off with excessive wear. If nothing was stated I think RM nee... 

Absolutely in agreement [nt]

 
 By: BluNotte : August 19th, 2011-18:55
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Always avoid buying the first...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 23rd, 2011-09:54
Very interesting news Stephen. Keep us posted. Many individuals like to be the one who experiences the first. First to have the all new upcoming Porsche 911 for instance. Personally, while I agree it is nice to have it before anyone else does, I truly bel... 

i'm dropping my jaws bro

 
 By: BluNotte : August 24th, 2011-01:49
In a good way of course! Time and time again we ALWAYS seem to strike at the same thoughts and opinions! Yes, it is true that we shall always have people clamouring over novelties. About the new Porsche 911, what makes me alarmingly worried is that it see... 

Dropping my jaws...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 24th, 2011-09:07
I'm dropping my jaws too... On the new news about the Porsche PDK shifters going backwards... I too like to have one upshift paddle on the right and downshift on the left. No toggle switches for me please! This is indeed bad news. Attending a Porsche even... 

Hey bro

 
 By: BluNotte : August 24th, 2011-18:40
You've got mail! Ciao and enjoy your upcoming weekend! Stephen