Enlightenment needed.....

Apr 22, 2015,02:25 AM
 

Dear connoisseurs, 


While admiring time passing on the beautiful dial of the Datograph which, as it happens, has just come back from a long service leave in Germany, I noticed something which left me perplexed. I always thought, well, not really always but for a longer time than my memory dares remember, that the "second hand" on a watch is linked to the minute hand. Therefore, the little crumbs of logic which are left in my small brain tell me that if a watch is fast, or slow, the correlation between the second hand and the minute hand should always be the same. However, this logic of mine does not seem to apply in the case of the Datograph.

I have posted three sketches which I trust, will explain in a much better fashion than my long winded way of expression.

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Here we start. The watch shows 10h10 exactly, well, the hour hand is not exactly where it should be but I guess that you get the drift.


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Now,  24 hours have passed,  the watch however is functioning slowly, for this example I say 30 seconds slow every 24 hours. One can easily see the second hand at 6 and therefore the minute hand is located exactly between the 9 and 10 minute marker. Nice, logical, cool!


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Here comes what I believe is an anomaly. 24 hours have gone by now, the second hand is 30 seconds slow, all normal, cool and logical. However, please note that the minute hand is not located between two minute-marker, it is now slower. This means that the minute hand is not correlated to the second hand. The minute hand and the second hand are not linked? How could that be?

I am perplexed and puzzled. If some connoisseur within the fraternity could enlighten me, I would be very delightedwink

Thank you for reading.

Cheers
Francois


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I have never seen this

 
 By: 4Js : April 22nd, 2015-04:11
i had my Dato on yesterday in fact. For me the game is to see how well I set the minute hand, since I stop the seconds at zero for the atomic clock set. Then, I like to verify at the hour to see the minute hand and the chrono seconds hand line up perfectl... 

Thank you Joe....

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 22nd, 2015-16:41
I do exactly as you do, I use the Swiss Atomic Clock for this exercise. However, I get a different result:) Will see here with the AD. Just didn't want to go there before knowing better. Been a fool is fine but a fool and a half is not appropriate;) Thank... 

No link there but I guess Andrew would love that dial color :p

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 22nd, 2015-08:24
To come back to your question... I don't know if the 3rd picture happens 24h after the 2nd one but, if so, then I think each 24 h, the watches get 30 sec of delay. Thus each 24h, the minute hand stops half a marker earlier (cumulative). Otherwise I don't ... 

The dial colour was in hommage......

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 22nd, 2015-16:44
to Nicolas, I know he loves salmon dials:) Thank you Mark. Cheers Francois

When I look at the center hand, it's for the chronograph, correct?

 
 By: cazalea : April 22nd, 2015-15:01
Your running seconds hand is the one at 9 o'clock. It's connected to the minute hand, but the chronograph hand is not. Cazalea

Hi Cazalea.........

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 22nd, 2015-16:46
This is just a sketch, the central second hand is just there to illustrate better what I meant.......doesn't seems to have done the trick though;) Cheers Francois

A Special Edition..........

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 23rd, 2015-02:36
Hello Cazalea, here is the Special Edition........................;) Just for fun:) Cheers Francois ...  

Glad you like it.............

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 23rd, 2015-23:11
...as I am negotiating with Lange & Sohne to see if they can make a salmon dial for the Dato, Limited Edition pour NICO:) Cheers Francois

Hello, Francois,....

 
 By: SuitbertW : April 23rd, 2015-01:28
I'm not sure I got your question 100% correct, but if I'm not mistaken you're talking about the minute hand apparently beeing "out of synch" with the permanent second hand of your Datpgraph? If that's your question, there are several possible explanations... 

Suitbert, thank you very much.....

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 23rd, 2015-02:45
You got it absolutely right and now I am enlightened, like a Glowfish;) It is definitely the printing of the dial, of course we are talking microns and my "sketches" are extremely exaggerated. Cheers Francois

With some watches it's quite difficult...

 
 By: SteveW : April 23rd, 2015-01:42
...to set the watch in the way shown in diagram 1. On a hacking watch the minute hand is the critical piece for setting the correct time. Even when you set the hand directly over a marker there can still be backlash in the mechanism. When the watch is res... 

Thank you Steve.....

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 23rd, 2015-18:19
I know the "problem" you are mentioning as it is quite common with hacking movements and like you I have become and "expert" in tweaking the minute hand depending on the watch or brand. After reading Suitbert reply and checking some other watch brands in ... 

It's not really THAT complicated...

 
 By: RobCH : April 23rd, 2015-06:04
...but having just gone through the whole time-setting process in my head, it has occured to me that it is extremely hard to describe without a bunch of pictures. It's the minute-hand, fixed to the chausee (like a simple clutch) that moves when adjusting ... 

Hi Rob, old chap!.....

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 23rd, 2015-18:21
How are you? Hope life is treating you well. Thank you for your reply. As Suitbert said, the printing on the dials is sometime at fault;) Cheers Francois